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Boston Area Airports

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$12.95/day at Jet Aviation as of last July. If there’s room in the hangar, they’ll put you in for no extra charge, more likely though you’ll be parked off to the side in the grass. Bicycle cable locks are accepted as MASSPORT prop locks.

I’ve not rechecked it for a while, but is the MASSPORT "security policy" paranoia officially documented online?  (I’m asking about something from MASSPORT itself, not various user-contributed discussions.) Considering the ripoff prices that have been posted here for prop lock rentals from the FBOs at BED, one could see a Conspiracy Theory ™ in which the FBOs want to make their profit via the prop lock requirement on unsuspecting transients. Joe Morris

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I’ve not rechecked it for a while, but is the MASSPORT "security policy" paranoia officially documented online?  (I’m asking about something from MASSPORT itself, not various user-contributed discussions.) Considering the ripoff prices that have been posted here for prop lock rentals from the FBOs at BED, one could see a Conspiracy Theory ™ in which the FBOs want to make their profit via the prop lock requirement on unsuspecting transients. Joe Morris

I can’t point you to online documentation, but can assure you that MASSPORT insists on locks (can be either prop locks, or a locked tiedown chain). Those of us with planes at BED get fined if we don’t have the plane locked down, and the FBOs get fined if MASSPORT swings by and finds unlocked planes on their ramp. — David Rind

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$12.95/day at Jet Aviation as of last July. If there’s room in the hangar, they’ll put you in for no extra charge, more likely though you’ll be parked off to the side in the grass. Bicycle cable locks are accepted as MASSPORT prop locks. I’ve not rechecked it for a while, but is the MASSPORT "security policy" paranoia officially documented online?  (I’m asking about something from MASSPORT itself, not various user-contributed discussions.)

Massport has an online newsletter that mentions the lock requirement: http://www.massport.com/about/pic/c_hansc_fall02.pdf. –Gary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Considering the ripoff prices that have been posted here for prop lock rentals from the FBOs at BED, one could see a Conspiracy Theory ™ in which the FBOs want to make their profit via the prop lock requirement on unsuspecting transients. Joe Morris

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I’ve not rechecked it for a while, but is the MASSPORT "security policy" paranoia officially documented online?  (I’m asking about something from MASSPORT itself, not various user-contributed discussions.) Massport has an online newsletter that mentions the lock requirement: http://www.massport.com/about/pic/c_hansc_fall02.pdf.

"Mentions" is the operative word: one sentence buried in a pile of public-relations BS.  Is anyone in the Boston area making any attempt to introduce the MASSPORT crew to the apparently foreign concept of common sense?  Or is that a lost cause? Joe Morris

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"Mentions" is the operative word: one sentence buried in a pile of public-relations BS.  Is anyone in the Boston area making any attempt to introduce the MASSPORT crew to the apparently foreign concept of common sense?  Or is that a lost cause?

If the "MASSPORT crew" had too much exposure to common sense, then they’ll become extremely frustrated by the lack of common sense exhibited by the airport neighbors. — Bob Noel

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BED has a bus (#62/76; http://www.mbta.com/traveling_t/schedules_buses.asp) that goes to the Red Line.  So at least you wouldn’t need a car rental there.  But I don’t know about BED’s cost to transients; I only rent there.

$12.95/day at Jet Aviation as of last July. If there’s room in the hangar, they’ll put you in for no extra charge, more likely though you’ll be parked off to the side in the grass. Bicycle cable locks are accepted as MASSPORT prop locks. — -Mark

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Pease International Tradeport (PSM) is about an 45 minutes north of BOS and is an excellent reliever.  NO landing fees, two hungry FBO’s with not a lot of customers.

There’s also a bus to Boston from on the airport property, though you wouldn’t want to walk to the bus terminal. Possibly the Portsmouth trolly serves both the airport and the bus terminal (I know it serves the bus terminal). Long SAC B-52 runway, very little traffic, and ILS in both directions, car rental companies on the field.

Yeah, I could easily land on the perpendicular taxiways at PSM. all the best — Dan Ford email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9 see the Warbird’s Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

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Pease International Tradeport (PSM) is about an 45 minutes north of BOS and is an excellent reliever.  NO landing fees, two hungry FBO’s with not a lot of customers. Long SAC B-52 runway, very little traffic, and ILS in both directions, car rental companies on the field. Hank

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I am going to Boston in early October.  I have been to BOS and BED but both are really expensive.  In the past convienence and not needing a rental car made BOS first choice but now is seems that they have gotten even more expensive.  What are BVY and OWL like?  I was planning to go to BVY once but was told by the FBO that nobody would be there if the Wx was bad(???)!  Do all Massport airports charge huge fees?  Signature wants a couple hundred bucks at BOS and then they will sell you $3.92 fuel!  I am going to downtown Boston.

BED has a bus (#62/76; http://www.mbta.com/traveling_t/schedules_buses.asp) that goes to the Red Line.  So at least you wouldn’t need a car rental there.  But I don’t know about BED’s cost to transients; I only rent there. –Gary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike MU-2

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 Mike I am going to Boston in early October.  I have been to BOS and  Mike BED but both are really expensive. Consider Norwood (OWD).

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I am going to Boston in early October.  I have been to BOS and BED but both are really expensive.  In the past convienence and not needing a rental car made BOS first choice but now is seems that they have gotten even more expensive.

OWD would seem like your best choice.  LWM is also a possibility. I haven’t flown into OWD, but a few times since 9/11 I’ve met a friend there to fly (while my plane was down).  It seemed pretty much open to transients – certainly friendlier than BED. — Bob Noel

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OWD would probably be your best bet. They have a LOC approach and rental cars on the field. It’s not controlled by Massport so you won’t need a "prop lock" like you would at BED.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am going to Boston in early October.  I have been to BOS and BED but both are really expensive.  In the past convienence and not needing a rental car made BOS first choice but now is seems that they have gotten even more expensive.  What are BVY and OWL like?  I was planning to go to BVY once but was told by the FBO that nobody would be there if the Wx was bad(???)!  Do all Massport airports charge huge fees?  Signature wants a couple hundred bucks at BOS and then they will sell you $3.92 fuel!  I am going to downtown Boston. Mike MU-2

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I am going to Boston in early October.  I have been to BOS and BED but both are really expensive.  In the past convienence and not needing a rental car made BOS first choice but now is seems that they have gotten even more expensive.  What are BVY and OWL like?  I was planning to go to BVY once but was told by the FBO that nobody would be there if the Wx was bad(???)!  Do all Massport airports charge huge fees?  Signature wants a couple hundred bucks at BOS and then they will sell you $3.92 fuel!  I am going to downtown Boston. Mike MU-2

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B737-800 YMML

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Anyone at YMML see the B737-800 today.. sitting at Qantas Domestic Gate 3.. reg N707BZ Who belongs to it ?

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Anyone at YMML see the B737-800 today.. sitting at Qantas Domestic Gate 3.. reg N707BZ Who belongs to it ?

N707BZ is a -700BBJ owned by Executive Jet Aviation. Cheers David

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Rego shows it to be a 737-700 BBJ. Got the following info. N707BZ B737-7BC(BBJ) Operated by Executive Jet

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so why would that be parked at gate 3 ??? qantas charter ??

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rego shows it to be a 737-700 BBJ. Got the following info. N707BZ B737-7BC(BBJ) Operated by Executive Jet

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low flight

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Dad, I saw this story in some flight sim site: I realize this isn’t simulator talk, but thought you might be interested. In todays Atlanta Constitution an article from Knight Ridder tells of a Boeing 707 that took off from Miami Intl yesterday and apparently never got over 1000 feet in it’s climbout.   From 1000 feet it lost altitude until it was only 100 feet above Biscayne Blvd in downtown  Miami. Witnesses said they saw it dumping fuel and trying to climb as it past by the downtown office buildings and people could look out the windows down at the plane as it flew by. The FAA said that the plane was registered in Canada by Jet Aviation Components. The crew said they had a problem with the yaw damper which caused the plane to wobble from side to side. Once they corrected the problem, they were able to continue their flight. The plane was reported to have just missed the big electric guitar on the side of the Hardrock Cafe in downtown Miami… ( I wonder if the Pilot tried turning the yaw damper on and off a couple of times to get it to work…Fs6.0 flight time experience might have been useful to him) Love, Scott

  OOPS! wrong address…   SORRY….

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Operating Costs for Falcon 10/100 jet

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: Would appreciate receiving any information on user operating costs of the : Falcon 10 or 100 with or without thrust reversers. : [snip] Almost as high as a ‘200, which has a lot more legroom! ;-) Ralf

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Contact Rudy Loria at Jet Aviation in Teterboro, NJ.

: Would appreciate receiving any information on user operating costs of the : Falcon 10 or 100 with or without thrust reversers.  This would include : both fixed and variable costs such as fuel consumption, insurance, hangar, : pilot/co-pilot salaries, MSP for engines, CAMP registration, and any other : costs you can think of.  Thanks. — W.C. Hargis Corp. Pilot/Pratt & Whitney Engines

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Would appreciate receiving any information on user operating costs of the Falcon 10 or 100 with or without thrust reversers.  This would include both fixed and variable costs such as fuel consumption, insurance, hangar, pilot/co-pilot salaries, MSP for engines, CAMP registration, and any other costs you can think of.  Thanks.

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USAir crash

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I have heard a lot of people wondering whether there is something wrong with USAir because of the number of accidents in the last few years but I am wondering if there is something wrong with Boeing’s 737 aircraft? I mean it seems like those planes crash rather frequently. Or is it just a distortion? Juergen

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I have heard a lot of people wondering whether there is something wrong with USAir because of the number of accidents in the last few years but I am wondering if there is something wrong with Boeing’s 737 aircraft? I mean it seems like those planes crash rather frequently. Or is it just a distortion?

There are more of them than any other commercial jet, by quite a large margin.  They also do more takeoff and landings than e.g. 747s. If you compare on a per takeoff and landing basis I bet you find it’s better than most long-distance craft, and certainly better than, e.g. the A320. RNA And takeoff and landing is the relevant measure, since this is by far the most dangerous time of flight.  Crashing from cruise flight is pretty damn rare, so far as I can tell.  The United flight in Sioux City was one—and engine ruptures are pretty rare!

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I have heard a lot of people wondering whether there is something wrong with USAir because of the number of accidents in the last few years but I am wondering if there is something wrong with Boeing’s 737 aircraft? I mean it seems like those planes crash rather frequently. Or is it just a distortion? Juergen

The 737 and its variants are the most-produced commercial aircraft in the Western world (I think the number is around 2600).  Many of the original planes are still flying (I believe the Aloha cabriolet model was about 20 years old). Still and all, I think the 737 is commercial jet aviation’s answer to the DC-3…

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And takeoff and landing is the relevant measure, since this is by far the most dangerous time of flight.  Crashing from cruise flight is pretty damn rare, so far as I can tell.  The United flight in Sioux City was one—and engine ruptures are pretty rare!

Remember that one- The DC-10 in Sioux city which lost hydraulic power in all 3 systems to all control surfaces after the tail engine split apart.  Kudos to the crew for landing at all (it kind of cartwheeled down the runway) allowing about half the people to survive. It was written up in Aviation Week & Readers Digest. Post-crash tests on simulators showed no way to  fly that one. Todays news says federal  marshalls on the Pittsburgh USAIR 737 were transporting a key witness for a Chicago drug dealers trial. Investigators also decided a reverse thruster did not deploy in flight.,the engines were running at impact, and the weather was no factor. There at square 1. A witness deemed reliable (a USAIR mechanic at a nearby soccar match) is being interviewed. He saw puffs of "blue& red smoke" from the underside while airborne. John Webb David Taylor Model Basin Hq.      -  Ski Till You Drop  - Bethesda,MD 20084-5000

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Rochester NY inquiry

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I’m flying to ROC (Rochester NY) this weekend and was looking for info about the airport.  Does anyone have a recommendation for an FBO? The only one I’ve found is Wilair.  They charge $100/night for transient hangar space for single engine aircraft (this is pretty steep!). Any other suggestions that any out there can make?  Probably e-mail is the best way to respond. As a side note: has anyone found hangar prices so high at other airports? Even at ORD it’s not that expensive!                                                 –bart miller                                                   uw-madison cs dept

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As a side note: has anyone found hangar prices so high at other airports? Even at ORD it’s not that expensive!

I haven’t had the pleasure often, but Shell AeroCenter at Toronto Island charges $40, and Jet Aviation at Bedford charges $25. — Lee W. Cooprider                                PP-ASEL/IA

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As a side note: has anyone found hangar prices so high at other airports? Even at ORD it’s not that expensive!

Beech at Omaha is $40 Signature at Nashville is $20 Griffing at Port Clinton, OH is $20 Butler County, PA is $20

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I haven’t had the pleasure often, but Shell AeroCenter at Toronto Island charges $40, and Jet Aviation at Bedford charges $25.

No soon did I write this than I called Jet Aviation and discovered that they now charge $50, plus $25 if they have to tow you from the other side of the field.  Beechcraft, on the same field, charges $100 for a hanger night. (They also start preheats at $50 for 10 minutes, plus $1/minute after that.) This certainly puts a major dent in the affordability of winter flying. — Lee W. Cooprider                                PP-ASEL/IA

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