I passed the checkride, now need a good GPS and passenger headset

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Vincent, But some things, such as the average private pilot’s pilotage skills, certainly were. How about they were just different? I think a pilot who is not able to work the Garmin 430 in his airplane is lacking skills. But it’s a different set of skills than the one needed to work the ADF.

My point is that a new private pilot who does not have an IFR rating does not need an ADF, either! He needs to learn basic skills. He will not learn them if he can crank a destination into a GPS and fly there as is led by the hand. I think he’ll get a lot more pleasure, satisfaction, and a sense of accomplishment from finding his destination without the help of gadgets (unless you consider a compass and a chart as "gadgets"). And he’ll be a safer pilot, less likely to have to make a forced landing after his GPS fails and he runs out of fuel trying to figure out where he is. And if you think it’s reasonable to say a pilot is lacking skills if he can’t operate a Garmin 430, then I’ll suggest you’re  incompetent because you can’t do celestial navigation. vince norris

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Robert, Someone who does NOT know where they are without their GPS

Nobody ever doubted that. — Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

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Vincent, But some things, such as the average private pilot’s pilotage skills, certainly were. How about they were just different? I think a pilot who is not able to work the Garmin 430 in his airplane is lacking skills. But it’s a different set of skills than the one needed to work the ADF. My point is that a new private pilot who does not have an IFR rating does not need an ADF, either! He needs to learn basic skills.

Good luck convincing anyone of that….

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Absolutely.  Someone who does NOT know where they are without their GPS is one electrical problem (or electronic failure) away from having no positional awareness. The plane I fly most times has a VFR GPS, which occasionally works, and when it does work, I have it on.   When it doesn’t work I still make damn sure I know where I am by virtue of the sectional and when accurate distances are needed by the DME. No excuse for not knowing where you are.  I doubt that "well my GPS failed" would work as an excuse in a certificate action for busting airspace. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Vincent, But some things, such as the average private pilot’s pilotage skills, certainly were. How about they were just different? I think a pilot who is not able to work the Garmin 430 in his airplane is lacking skills. But it’s a different set of skills than the one needed to work the ADF. My point is that a new private pilot who does not have an IFR rating does not need an ADF, either! He needs to learn basic skills. He will not learn them if he can crank a destination into a GPS and fly there as is led by the hand. I think he’ll get a lot more pleasure, satisfaction, and a sense of accomplishment from finding his destination without the help of gadgets (unless you consider a compass and a chart as "gadgets"). And he’ll be a safer pilot, less likely to have to make a forced landing after his GPS fails and he runs out of fuel trying to figure out where he is. And if you think it’s reasonable to say a pilot is lacking skills if he can’t operate a Garmin 430, then I’ll suggest you’re  incompetent because you can’t do celestial navigation. vince norris

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Please explain why it’s irresponsible.   Well, I think I gave the reason. Remember the two bozos flying over Washington, DC and how much they hurt all of us?

They did that because they were incompetent, not because they didn’t have a GPS. I’ve flown for half a century in the Middle Atlantic states, which are full of various kinds of special use airpspace, and managed to stay out of trouble.  So have thousands –perhaps tens of thousands — of other pilots. Simple map reading skills would have kept those "bozos" out of trouble.  The had only to stay on the  correct side of a sizeable river; they failed to do it. If they coulnd’t read a sectional, why do you suppose they could have read a GPS screen? Airliners have other RNAV equipment.

 I asked a retired American Airlines 747 captain about this at lunch today.  He said that until 1990 or ‘95, the planes he flew had only "basic" instruments; inferior to the equipment in many private aircraft. The poster said he NEEDED a GPS.  That suggests dependency. Not to me.

Well, I’m "depending" on the definition of the word in the dictionary. I don’t know. Sounds a lot like the "When I was young, x was better" fallacy.

Some things were, some things were not. The old Adcock ranges were not better than VORs; ADF  approaches (as we then called them) were not better than the ILS. But some things, such as the average private pilot’s pilotage skills, certainly were. They had little or nothing else to get them to their destination. vince norris

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Vincent, But some things, such as the average private pilot’s pilotage skills, certainly were.

How about they were just different? I think a pilot who is not able to work the Garmin 430 in his airplane is lacking skills. But it’s a different set of skills than the one needed to work the ADF. — Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

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Well, I think I gave the reason. Remember the two bozos flying over Washington, DC and how much they hurt all of us?

Let’s get this straight.  The pilots didn’t "hurt" anybody.  The feds hurt all of us, using those pilots as an excuse. Jose — The monkey turns the crank and thinks he’s making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

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Well, let me take the opposite position: In today’s airspace, flying wihtout a GPS is IMHO irresponsible.

Please explain why it’s irresponsible.  I understand that very few domestic airliners and commuters have GPS.  Does every mililtary aircraft have GPS?  Is it irressponsible to fly a J-3 NORDO, even into OSH? That "expensive" GPS is around 350 bucks or so.

The poster said, "I’m thinking of a higher end GPS, maybe even color." Having a GPS and not being able to navigate without it are two completely different things.

The poster said he NEEDED a GPS.  That suggests dependency. And if you have been flying long, you know that a new pilot with a GPS will quickly become dependent and will never develop pilotage skills. It’s common knowledge that many recently trained pilots have not learned to navigate well.  It’s often been discussed  here. vince norris

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Vincent, Please explain why it’s irresponsible.  I understand that very few domestic airliners and commuters have GPS.  Does every mililtary aircraft have GPS?  Is it irressponsible to fly a J-3 NORDO, even into OSH?

Well, I think I gave the reason. Remember the two bozos flying over Washington, DC and how much they hurt all of us? Airliners have other RNAV equipment. The military too. Do I think a NORDO J-3 should have a handheld GPS? Yes, I’d strongly recommend it. The poster said he NEEDED a GPS.  That suggests dependency.

Not to me. It’s common knowledge that many recently trained pilots have not learned to navigate well.  It’s often been discussed  here.

I don’t know. Sounds a lot like the "When I was young, x was better" fallacy. — Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

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I see what happened )) I cleared out OE of messages over a week old and your reply o Osbourne came up as the first message in a thread. I missed the (re;) Anyway, congratulations on your 300 hours! ))))) Dudley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – YIPPEE!  I’m now a private pilot! I took and passed, the private pilot checkride on Tuesday. Congratulations Jeff. What a relief!  It wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought it"d be, and it went very well. I seem to remember saying this to myself after the first time I had sex!!! ) Dudley Henriques While I appreciate the sentiments Dudley, I’ve had my ticket for a bit now and will hit 300 hours in the next flight or two. Congratulations on the sex though. — Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino Cartoons with a Touch of Magic http://www.wizardofdraws.com More Cartoons with a Touch of Magic http://www.cartoonclipart.com

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Vincent, No, Joe, you  do not "need" a GPS. Well, let me take the opposite position: In today’s airspace, flying wihtout a GPS is IMHO irresponsible. There simply doesn’t need to be any connection between card reading abilities and having a GPS – unless you are an irresponsible pilot to start with.

   I’m not sure I go along with the irresponsible part, but I certainly agree with the benefits of the GPS. For the same reason I tap danced on the desks (figuratively) of our local school administration 30 years ago to make sure computer litereacy reached our school’s curriculum.     The basic concepts are unarguably absolute essentials. Once an aviator has those, then bring on the technology.     Just today, my Lowrance 2000C let me turn around the southwest corner of R-2505 and shave six to ten miles off what used to be the "safe margin" to avoid the restricted area. There ain’t no line painted on the ground to show you where the boundaries are. Go Fly!! Casey

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – YIPPEE!  I’m now a private pilot! I took and passed, the private pilot checkride on Tuesday. Congratulations Jeff. What a relief!  It wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought it"d be, and it went very well. I seem to remember saying this to myself after the first time I had sex!!! ) Dudley Henriques

While I appreciate the sentiments Dudley, I’ve had my ticket for a bit now and will hit 300 hours in the next flight or two. Congratulations on the sex though. — Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino Cartoons with a Touch of Magic http://www.wizardofdraws.com More Cartoons with a Touch of Magic http://www.cartoonclipart.com

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Vincent, No, Joe, you  do not "need" a GPS.

Well, let me take the opposite position: In today’s airspace, flying wihtout a GPS is IMHO irresponsible. There simply doesn’t need to be any connection between card reading abilities and having a GPS – unless you are an irresponsible pilot to start with. so that you can find your way on the day that expensive GPS  

That "expensive" GPS is around 350 bucks or so. And yes, something can always crap out. The GPS, the VOR, the chart, when it flies out the window. So what? If you can’t navigate with depending on a GPS, you’re an aeronautical cripple.

Having a GPS and not being able to navigate without it are two completely different things. — Thomas Borchert (EDDH) MessageEnd: ;-;

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YIPPEE!  I’m now a private pilot! I took and passed, the private pilot checkride on Tuesday.   What a relief!  It wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought I’d be, and went very well.   Now I need an aviation GPS and ‘Guest Headset’, and I’m hoping that readers of this list will have recommendations about what to get, and where to buy it.  Yes, I’ve seen the eBay auctions, and I’m thinking of a higher end GPS, maybe even color.   Any suggestions or experiences with specific models and vendors will greatly help! Regards, Joe.  

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I got a Garmin 295, which is now discontinued.  You might be able to get one cheap.  It’s a little slow, but it is an excellent piece of equipment.  I use it in a Sundowner, and I’ve never had to use an external antenna.  I’ve had very little trouble with satellite reception.  It’s an absolute lifesaver.  I would guess the 296 is even better, faster and with terrain and obstructions. Les

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – YIPPEE!  I’m now a private pilot! I took and passed, the private pilot checkride on Tuesday. What a relief!  It wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought I’d be, and went very well. Now I need an aviation GPS and ‘Guest Headset’, and I’m hoping that readers of this list will have recommendations about what to get, and where to buy it.  Yes, I’ve seen the eBay auctions, and I’m thinking of a higher end GPS, maybe even color. Any suggestions or experiences with specific models and vendors will greatly help! Regards, Joe.

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Now I need an aviation GPS and ‘Guest Headset’, and I’m hoping that readers of this list will have recommendations about what to get, and where to buy it.  Yes, I’ve seen the eBay auctions, and I’m thinking of a higher end GPS, maybe even color.  

Well, I have a Garmin GPSMAP 195 (with original packaging, PC cable, yoke mount, etc.) that I am willing to sell for a reasonable price. If you are thinking of springing for a color unit, and are computer savvy, I would suggest looking into a product like AnywhereMap in combination with the Garmin GPS10.  The system will probably set you back $1100 or so, but it offers you future capabilities (such as the ability to add weather uplink, solid state AI, etc.) that a Garmin or Lowrance handheld does not offer. JKG

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I’ve been a big Garmin fan until I tried out the Lowrance GPS (great unit and they include everything you need with the unit (unlike garmin, where everything is an optional accessory – like an external antenna RIGHT!). As for your passenger headset.   You can find some great deals on the lightspeed website (they sell some of their refurbed units that have been turned in by pilots taking advantage of their ‘trade-up’ program. Congratulations! — — =—– Good Flights! Cecil PP-ASEL-IA Student – CP-ASEL Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond! Complete with pictures and text at:  www.bayareapilot.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." – Antoine de Saint-Exupery – "We who fly, do so for the love of flying.  We are alive in the air with this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet" – Cecil Day Lewis –

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – YIPPEE!  I’m now a private pilot! I took and passed, the private pilot checkride on Tuesday. What a relief!  It wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought I’d be, and went very well. Now I need an aviation GPS and ‘Guest Headset’, and I’m hoping that readers of this list will have recommendations about what to get, and where to buy it.  Yes, I’ve seen the eBay auctions, and I’m thinking of a higher end GPS, maybe even color. Any suggestions or experiences with specific models and vendors will greatly help! Regards, Joe.

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Get a Garmin GPS 196.  It’s WAAS capable and often has an accuracy of less than 9 ft with WASS enabled.  As an IFR flyer I found the panel page an important backup in case I lose all my onboard instruments.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – YIPPEE!  I’m now a private pilot! I took and passed, the private pilot checkride on Tuesday. What a relief!  It wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought I’d be, and went very well. Now I need an aviation GPS and ‘Guest Headset’, and I’m hoping that readers of this list will have recommendations about what to get, and where to buy it.  Yes, I’ve seen the eBay auctions, and I’m thinking of a higher end GPS, maybe even color. Any suggestions or experiences with specific models and vendors will greatly help! Regards, Joe.  

The Lowrance 2000c meets with my approval most wholeheartedly. The color-coded terrain awareness feature is very comforting. — Jeff "The Wizard of Draws" Bucchino Cartoons with a Touch of Magic www.wizardofdraws.com www.cartoonclipart.com Lowrance 2000C is very good.

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It’s only a month until Oshkosh.  If you can go, that is the best place in the world to look at alternatives.  Don’t overlook the option of a tablet PC that serves both in flight and as your regular PC.  I bought an HP TC1100 and rationalized it that way.  I am now thinking, though, I should have bought a Motion as the HP screen is more difficult to read in glare/sunlight conditions. eBay is the place for guest headsets.  I have a low-end Telex that I bought in a package of pilot gear.  Sold off what I didn’t want and got about what I paid for the package.  Ended up with a "free" headset and some other stuff. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – YIPPEE!  I’m now a private pilot! I took and passed, the private pilot checkride on Tuesday.   What a relief!  It wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought I’d be, and went very well.   Now I need an aviation GPS and ‘Guest Headset’, and I’m hoping that readers of this list will have recommendations about what to get, and where to buy it.  Yes, I’ve seen the eBay auctions, and I’m thinking of a higher end GPS, maybe even color.   Any suggestions or experiences with specific models and vendors will greatly help! Regards, Joe.  

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What a relief!  It wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought it"d be, and it went very well. I seem to remember saying this to myself after the first time I had sex!!! ) Dudley Henriques

You’ve had sex? Sorry, couldn’t help myself.  <G — Mortimer Schnerd, RN

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What a relief!  It wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought it"d be, and it went very well. I seem to remember saying this to myself after the first time I had sex!!! ) Dudley Henriques You’ve had sex? Sorry, couldn’t help myself.  <G

Had to sit on a special cushion for a week afterwards – poor chap.

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("Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote) You’ve had sex?

Nothing unusual about that, except (years later), him using a GI-Joe and a Barbie doll, attached to long sticks, to reenact the encounter. Montblack  :-)

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YIPPEE!  I’m now a private pilot! Now I need an aviation GPS ….

No, Joe, you  do not "need" a GPS.   At the risk of sounding like an old curmudgeon, let me suggest that what you now have is permission to practice flying.  What you REALLY need is a great deal of practice reading an aeronautical chart so that you can find your way on the day that expensive GPS  you want to buy craps out and you’re up there all alone with no idea where the hell you are. (And you’re about to blunder into a area where the F-16s will come looking for you.) If you can’t navigate with depending on a GPS, you’re an aeronautical cripple. vince norris

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YIPPEE!  I’m now a private pilot! I took and passed, the private pilot checkride on Tuesday.

Congratulations Jeff. What a relief!  It wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought it"d be, and it went very well.

I seem to remember saying this to myself after the first time I had sex!!! ) Dudley Henriques

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The reason for the lack of attribution to number 3 "The only time…" – which belongs to Sir Charles Kingsford-Smith, is that the cretin American assembler of the list had never heard of Sir Charles Kingsford-Smith. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yea though I Fly Through the Valley of Death ..I Shall Fear No Evil. For I am at 80,000 Feet and Climbing!  (Sign over the entrance to the old SR-71 operating base Kadena, Japan). You’ve never been lost until you’ve been lost at Mach 3. (Paul F.Crickmore -test pilot) The only time you have too much fuel is when you’re on fire. Blue water Navy truism: There are more planes in the ocean than submarines in the sky.(From an old carrier sailor) If the wings are traveling faster than the fuselage, it’s probably a helicopter — and therefore, unsafe. When one engine fails on a twin-engine airplane you always have enough power left to get you to the scene of the crash. Without ammunition, the USAF would be just another expensive flying club. What is the similarity between air traffic controllers and pilots? If a pilot screws up, the pilot dies; If ATC screws up, …the pilot dies. Never trade luck for skill. The three most common expressions (or famous last words) in aviation are "Why is it doing that?" "Where are we?" and "Oh Shit!" Weather forecasts are horoscopes with numbers. Progress in airline flying: now a flight attendant can get a pilot pregnant. Airspeed, altitude and brains. Two are always needed to successfully complete the flight. A smooth landing is mostly luck; two in a row is all luck; three in a row is prevarication. I remember when sex was safe and flying was dangerous. Mankind has a perfect record in aviation; we never left one up there! Flashlights are tubular metal containers kept in a flight bag for the purpose of storing dead batteries. Flying the airplane is more important than radioing your plight to a person on the ground incapable of understanding or doing anything about it. When a flight is proceeding incredibly well, something was forgotten. Just remember, if you crash because of weather, your funeral will be held on a sunny day. Advice given to RAF pilots during WWII When a prang (crash) seems inevitable, endeavor to strike the softest, cheapest object in the vicinity as slow and gently as possible. The Piper Cub is the safest airplane in the world; …it can just barely kill you.  (Attributed to Max Stanley, Northrop test pilot) A pilot who doesn’t have any fear probably isn’t flying his plane to its maximum.  (Jon McBride, astronaut) If you’re faced with a forced landing, fly the thing as far into the crash as possible. Bob Hoover – renowned aerobatic and test pilot) If an airplane is still in one piece, don’t cheat on it; ride the bastard down. (Ernest K. Gann, author & aviator) Never fly in the same cockpit with someone braver than you. There is no reason to fly through a thunderstorm in peacetime.  (Sign over squadron ops desk at Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ, 1970). "What is the purpose of the propeller? The purpose of the propeller is to keep the pilot cool. You don’t believe that?  If the propeller stops, watch how the pilot starts to sweat." The three best things in life are a good landing, a good orgasm, and, a good bowel movement. The night carrier landing is one of the few opportunities in life where you get to experience all three at the same time.  (Author unknown, but surely someone who’s been there) If something hasn’t broken on your helicopter, it’s about to. Basic Flying Rules: Try to stay in the middle of the air. Do not go near the edges of it. The edges of the air can be recognized by the appearance of ground, buildings, sea, trees and interstellar space.  It is much more difficult to fly there. You know that your landing gear is up and locked when it takes full power to taxi

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Yea though I Fly Through the Valley of Death ..I Shall Fear No Evil. For I am at 80,000 Feet and Climbing!  (Sign over the entrance to the old SR-71 operating base Kadena, Japan). You’ve never been lost until you’ve been lost at Mach 3. (Paul F.Crickmore -test pilot) The only time you have too much fuel is when you’re on fire. Blue water Navy truism: There are more planes in the ocean than submarines in the sky.(From an old carrier sailor) If the wings are traveling faster than the fuselage, it’s probably a helicopter — and therefore, unsafe. When one engine fails on a twin-engine airplane you always have enough power left to get you to the scene of the crash. Without ammunition, the USAF would be just another expensive flying club. What is the similarity between air traffic controllers and pilots? If a pilot screws up, the pilot dies; If ATC screws up, …the pilot dies. Never trade luck for skill. The three most common expressions (or famous last words) in aviation are "Why is it doing that?" "Where are we?" and "Oh Shit!" Weather forecasts are horoscopes with numbers. Progress in airline flying: now a flight attendant can get a pilot pregnant. Airspeed, altitude and brains. Two are always needed to successfully complete the flight. A smooth landing is mostly luck; two in a row is all luck; three in a row is prevarication. I remember when sex was safe and flying was dangerous. Mankind has a perfect record in aviation; we never left one up there! Flashlights are tubular metal containers kept in a flight bag for the purpose of storing dead batteries. Flying the airplane is more important than radioing your plight to a person on the ground incapable of understanding or doing anything about it. When a flight is proceeding incredibly well, something was forgotten. Just remember, if you crash because of weather, your funeral will be held on a sunny day. Advice given to RAF pilots during WWII When a prang (crash) seems inevitable, endeavor to strike the softest, cheapest object in the vicinity as slow and gently as possible. The Piper Cub is the safest airplane in the world; …it can just barely kill you.  (Attributed to Max Stanley, Northrop test pilot) A pilot who doesn’t have any fear probably isn’t flying his plane to its maximum.  (Jon McBride, astronaut) If you’re faced with a forced landing, fly the thing as far into the crash as possible. Bob Hoover – renowned aerobatic and test pilot) If an airplane is still in one piece, don’t cheat on it; ride the bastard down. (Ernest K. Gann, author & aviator) Never fly in the same cockpit with someone braver than you. There is no reason to fly through a thunderstorm in peacetime.  (Sign over squadron ops desk at Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ, 1970). "What is the purpose of the propeller? The purpose of the propeller is to keep the pilot cool. You don’t believe that?  If the propeller stops, watch how the pilot starts to sweat." The three best things in life are a good landing, a good orgasm, and, a good bowel movement. The night carrier landing is one of the few opportunities in life where you get to experience all three at the same time.  (Author unknown, but surely someone who’s been there) If something hasn’t broken on your helicopter, it’s about to. Basic Flying Rules: Try to stay in the middle of the air. Do not go near the edges of it. The edges of the air can be recognized by the appearance of ground, buildings, sea, trees and interstellar space.  It is much more difficult to fly there. You know that your landing gear is up and locked when it takes full power to taxi

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decades) of oxidised hydrocarbon lubricant OFF the pivot pins and OUT of their bushes.   To do this carefully enuff to avoid damage/marring may take you 4 hours or more.   The stuff looks like brown varnish. Squirting CRC around and beating it with a rock ..  er… well….  not really an approved procedure, doncha know..

if you want to get a brown oily varnish off go past your local printer and ask them what they use as a blanket wash. Blast was one brand name. it has among other things phenyl in it and will remove castor oil varnish or any oil base varnish off with a soaking and then a toothbrush scrub and hose off. it was also the one thing that would take an old gunky model aircraft engine and return it to pristine condition. works wonderfully well. the blankets btw were the intermediate rubber transfer roller in offset printing. Stealth Pilot

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My daughter (aged about 15) and her boyfriend were going ice-skating one

"daughter" night. As they were leaving, I innocently enquired if I might tag along. The daughter rolled her eyes <sigh "OK, then, if you MUST" I provide the transport, and as they walk towards the entrance they see me taking something from the boot of the car in a funny looking bag. "What’s that" she says "These? Oh these are my ice skates" I reply. This gets a quizzical look, but they run ahead to hire their fancy red ice-hockey style quick-connect boots. They quickly fit them, and look around to see poor ol’ grandpa

"granpa" with his old leather figure skates slowly lacing them up. I see them looking. "Oh, you go ahead" I say "This’ll take me a while…"

It musta done – or he was a terrible quick worker…. Off they run. A few minutes later they are struggling around the edge of the rink, boyfriend gallantly holding the rail with one hand, daughter’s hand in the other. She is shuffling along, tripping and stumbling, in that peculiar knock-kneed, pigeon-toed fashion that all beginner skaters adopt, when I glide past them, travelling backwards, with a benign smile on my face. "Ice is nice, isn’t it?" I say, as I spin around and glide away…. The expressions on their faces were worth a million dollars..

I’ll bet Well, Gorky Park is full of aircraft too – and the Buran.  And since you brought the subject up, her indoors was also a figure skater in her yoof. So chancing across a fairly smooth patch (the ice there is just frozen snow, full of footprints and like skating on cobbles) she proceeded to do as you did – some neat backward one-foot turns.  But "splat".   "There must have been something sticking up through the ice".  Yeah.  Right. Did some more fancy stuff and "splat" again!   Same place.  So I went and had a good look.  She was right.   There was a little piece of bitumen about the size of a thumbnail poking up through the ice – and she’d hit it twice….

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<sigh  OK.   If you REALLY get stuck, contact me.  But you’ll need to bring money.

OK, now for the serious bit. The impulse maggie is sticking again. I’ve had conflicting stories. Some say lubricate, some say don’t. I’ve tried both ways. If lubricate- then with what? I guess it would need to be something fairly thin, otherwise the little cams are going to stick in the lubricant. If not- then it will need to be cleaned, and then what- a little dry lubricant like graphite on the shafts, perhaps? Or an occasional squirt of CRC or similar through the little squarish hole in the bottom of the coupling? The best I’ve had is a period of about 12 months where a very occasional tap with the back of my swiss army knife was all that was required. I don’t think I was using any lubricant then. BUt eventually they stuck good and proper and the maggie had to be removed and the coupling flushed with CRC to loosen them up again. Currently, the impulse sticks almost every time and needs a solid whack with the oil filter handle to free it. (This does not inculcate a sense of confidence in the passengers.) Any suggestions? What was the practice back when you were working on them, RT? Coop

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, now for the serious bit. The impulse maggie is sticking again. I’ve had conflicting stories. Some say lubricate, some say don’t. I’ve tried both ways. If lubricate- then with what? I guess it would need to be something fairly thin, otherwise the little cams are going to stick in the lubricant. If not- then it will need to be cleaned, and then what- a little dry lubricant like graphite on the shafts, perhaps? Or an occasional squirt of CRC or similar through the little squarish hole in the bottom of the coupling? The best I’ve had is a period of about 12 months where a very occasional tap with the back of my swiss army knife was all that was required. I don’t think I was using any lubricant then. BUt eventually they stuck good and proper and the maggie had to be removed and the coupling flushed with CRC to loosen them up again. Currently, the impulse sticks almost every time and needs a solid whack with the oil filter handle to free it. (This does not inculcate a sense of confidence in the passengers.) Any suggestions? What was the practice back when you were working on them, RT?

Didn’t really have a problem, Coop, but our stuff was doing 100 hrs/MONTH, not 100hrs/YEAR. Since there is little chance I will be either IN it or UNDER it….   : my first choice would be a dismantle/clean and lube with an anti-seize – one of the Molybond brews, eg.   The reasoning is that if you use a straight dry lube (eg, powdered graphite) the long rests you give the gear whilst summoning courage  to once again loose the surly bounds in such a travesty of an infernal flying machine seems likely to encourage  that reddish brown stuff. As you correctly say using a straight oil is likely to give trouble as it oxidises and also sucks up dust (which is why you should never use oil in a lock – only a dry lube, aka powdered graphite). But in any case IMO you need to do a thorough dismantle/clean/lube.   The "clean" part means getting *all* the varnish resulting from centuries  (ok – decades) of oxidised hydrocarbon lubricant OFF the pivot pins and OUT of their bushes.   To do this carefully enuff to avoid damage/marring may take you 4 hours or more.   The stuff looks like brown varnish. Squirting CRC around and beating it with a rock ..  er… well….  not really an approved procedure, doncha know..

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Mmm …actually I’ve already got some serious cold weather gear.   Good thing too.  Went arse-up-with-care in Gorky Park  and the only thing that saved me was the Russian-style hat.   They’re mad you know, in Russia.   Not only do they fly Austers or equivalents (AN-12), they launch poor innocent Oz tooooooooorists  down these precipitous slopes in Gorky Park on hired ice skates.   While approaching Mach 4 and heading toward all these little ole ladies  and toddlers as you go blasting down the hill, you realise you have no f’ing CLUE how to slow down – let alone stop. No bloody wonder I’m grey. And if you survive that, they put you on skis  and point you down this cliff towards a lake and you say: " How do I stop"?   And they say: "Oh, you just stop!" I’ll give you the mail – those funny round things are really very well attached to the sticks.

Very little to do with aviation, but I’m gonna tell the story anyway…. My daughter (aged about 15) and her boyfriend were going ice-skating one night. As they were leaving, I innocently enquired if I might tag along. The daughter rolled her eyes <sigh "OK, then, if you MUST" I provide the transport, and as they walk towards the entrance they see me taking something from the boot of the car in a funny looking bag. "What’s that" she says "These? Oh these are my ice skates" I reply. This gets a quizzical look, but they run ahead to hire their fancy red ice-hockey style quick-connect boots. They quickly fit them, and look around to see poor ol’ grandpa with his old leather figure skates slowly lacing them up. I see them looking. "Oh, you go ahead" I say "This’ll take me a while…" Off they run. A few minutes later they are struggling around the edge of the rink, boyfriend gallantly holding the rail with one hand, daughter’s hand in the other. She is shuffling along, tripping and stumbling, in that peculiar knock-kneed, pigeon-toed fashion that all beginner skaters adopt, when I glide past them, travelling backwards, with a benign smile on my face. "Ice is nice, isn’t it?" I say, as I spin around and glide away…. The expressions on their faces were worth a million dollars.. Coop (Who took lessons, and reckons that’s the best way to learn any complex skill- even flying <note aviation reference)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Seriously, I began recording the oil pressure at 700rpm before shut-down after each long flight a few years back, and so far it hasn’t changed- still steady at about 34psi (plus or minus a bit depending on temp). Mind you, she does get looked after right royally- oil changed every 25 hours (or less), plenty of warm-up time, no rapid changes in throttle (emergencies excepted) and mostly long flights of an hour or more. It won’t be much longer and she’ll be "on condition" (1500 hours) but I’m confident her condition will see me through for a good few hours yet. Currently doing about 50-80 hour each year. The average private owner does (did) about 100 hrs/year which is not enuff to ensure the engine reaches its full life. Prolly Gypsies can take doing nothing better than the opposed. This is *really* stretching the memory (40 years) but AFAIR the idle pressure was about 15 psi.   If  I’m right you’ve either got a buggered oil gauge or some plugged oil galleries – ok, ok – there IS the off-chance you have an engine in good nick Just got back from a very pleaseant weekend on Kangaroo Island- interesting trip down dodging rain showers down to about 700′, flew back at 5,500 looking down at the inversion layer where the tree-huggers had dirtied the sky with their wood fires and diesel 4WD’s…… Pollution- indeed!! (Humph) Perzackery. The gauge has been checked and is OK. REAL idle is considerably below 700rpm- more like about 400, or maybe less. I measure the pressure at 700 because then I know what the rpm is. The needle is all over the place at idle and I wouldn’t have a clue if it was the same as it was yesterday. The pressure relief valve is set a little high- usually about 50psi in cruise on an average day (the book says 40-45), and drops to 45 if the weather is pretty warm- so the end result is an "idle" pressure which appears to be on the high side. All I’m really interested in is consistent measuring and recording change. The actual pressure is not that important, I reckon, (as long as its sufficient). And yes, the engine is in good nick. Because I look after it…… By the way- there’s nothing wrong with your memory….the idle pressure (with the idle set correctly) is 15psi…. Sure you don’t want to work on them again? Guys with your knowledge and skills are not so easy to find these days…..

<sigh  OK.   If you REALLY get stuck, contact me.  But you’ll need to bring money. And Bundy Rum (I’ll buy the Coke). And a bloody big thick overcoat if you expect me to venture into Mehhhico…. Mmm …actually I’ve already got some serious cold weather gear.   Good thing too.  Went arse-up-with-care in Gorky Park  and the only thing that saved me was the Russian-style hat.   They’re mad you know, in Russia.   Not only do they fly Austers or equivalents (AN-12), they launch poor innocent Oz tooooooooorists  down these precipitous slopes in Gorky Park on hired ice skates.   While approaching Mach 4 and heading toward all these little ole ladies  and toddlers as you go blasting down the hill, you realise you have no f’ing CLUE how to slow down – let alone stop. No bloody wonder I’m grey. And if you survive that, they put you on skis  and point you down this cliff towards a lake and you say: " How do I stop"?   And they say: "Oh, you just stop!" I’ll give you the mail – those funny round things are really very well attached to the sticks.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Seriously, I began recording the oil pressure at 700rpm before shut-down after each long flight a few years back, and so far it hasn’t changed- still steady at about 34psi (plus or minus a bit depending on temp). Mind you, she does get looked after right royally- oil changed every 25 hours (or less), plenty of warm-up time, no rapid changes in throttle (emergencies excepted) and mostly long flights of an hour or more. It won’t be much longer and she’ll be "on condition" (1500 hours) but I’m confident her condition will see me through for a good few hours yet. Currently doing about 50-80 hour each year. The average private owner does (did) about 100 hrs/year which is not enuff to ensure the engine reaches its full life. Prolly Gypsies can take doing nothing better than the opposed. This is *really* stretching the memory (40 years) but AFAIR the idle pressure was about 15 psi.   If  I’m right you’ve either got a buggered oil gauge or some plugged oil galleries – ok, ok – there IS the off-chance you have an engine in good nick Just got back from a very pleaseant weekend on Kangaroo Island- interesting trip down dodging rain showers down to about 700′, flew back at 5,500 looking down at the inversion layer where the tree-huggers had dirtied the sky with their wood fires and diesel 4WD’s…… Pollution- indeed!! (Humph) Perzackery.

The gauge has been checked and is OK. REAL idle is considerably below 700rpm- more like about 400, or maybe less. I measure the pressure at 700 because then I know what the rpm is. The needle is all over the place at idle and I wouldn’t have a clue if it was the same as it was yesterday. The pressure relief valve is set a little high- usually about 50psi in cruise on an average day (the book says 40-45), and drops to 45 if the weather is pretty warm- so the end result is an "idle" pressure which appears to be on the high side. All I’m really interested in is consistent measuring and recording change. The actual pressure is not that important, I reckon, (as long as its sufficient). And yes, the engine is in good nick. Because I look after it…… By the way- there’s nothing wrong with your memory….the idle pressure (with the idle set correctly) is 15psi…. Sure you don’t want to work on them again? Guys with your knowledge and skills are not so easy to find these days….. Coop

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Repair by replacement.  Stick "Experimental" on the side and bolt a Lycoming into it WHAT?!! And lose all that Character???? You wanna fly or you wanna character?  :-) Got both! Not Changin’ (Anyway, what would I do with all my unused oil rags?) There should be some huge environmental penalty for continuing to pollute How many hours on the steam engine – er, Gypsy Major – anyway?   Have never done it, but always been fascinated by the requirement to hand-scrape the mains in those engines……. (Big ends too?) Um – for those wot aren’t familiar with engine overhauls, on modern engines you buy bearing shells, fit them and check the clearance and that’s it. They are called tri-metal bearings – they have a steel back, a buffer layer (copper or copper alloy) then the actual bearing surface. On the old steam engines you’d cast in place new white metal bearings and then fit them to the shaft by scraping away the excess metal with one or more hand scrapers until you had the required clearance between shaft and bearing.   The old (Pommy and other) engines used a modification of the same technique.   It sounds a bit ordinary, but in fact seems to have worked quite well.

Yes I remember that being done to many a rod on old engines.  White metal being melted down in a furnace, Rods being prepared so the white metal would stay stuck, then poured setup in a jig. can’t remember the scrapers, it was usually done in a boring machine for some sort of accuracy. Gee there were some good bodgey jobs done back then! Remember when pistons were squeezed in the vice to make them oval this eliminated the piston slap.

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coop, hows the radio going

Winter project- haven’t bought it yet- can’t take Dorothy out of service until the season breaks. Although at the current rate, we’ll be into spring before the rains start….. Coop

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lycs dont leak oil Auster airframes with Gypsys don’t rust

Now there’s a man with true insight…. Coop

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Seriously, I began recording the oil pressure at 700rpm before shut-down after each long flight a few years back, and so far it hasn’t changed- still steady at about 34psi (plus or minus a bit depending on temp). Mind you, she does get looked after right royally- oil changed every 25 hours (or less), plenty of warm-up time, no rapid changes in throttle (emergencies excepted) and mostly long flights of an hour or more. It won’t be much longer and she’ll be "on condition" (1500 hours) but I’m confident her condition will see me through for a good few hours yet. Currently doing about 50-80 hour each year.

The average private owner does (did) about 100 hrs/year which is not enuff to ensure the engine reaches its full life. Prolly Gypsies can take doing nothing better than the opposed. This is *really* stretching the memory (40 years) but AFAIR the idle pressure was about 15 psi.   If  I’m right you’ve either got a buggered oil gauge or some plugged oil galleries – ok, ok – there IS the off-chance you have an engine in good nick Just got back from a very pleaseant weekend on Kangaroo Island- interesting trip down dodging rain showers down to about 700′, flew back at 5,500 looking down at the inversion layer where the tree-huggers had dirtied the sky with their wood fires and diesel 4WD’s…… Pollution- indeed!! (Humph)

Perzackery.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – could try RACWA on (08)94170000 ask for Glenn. If he hasn’t got any he might know who does! CmiJ Couldn’t find your original post for Gipsy Major valves to reply to. Contacted Mick at Gawler and he will ring you, reckons he knows where he can get his hands on some. Ric

Thanks guys- I also have my feelers out in the UK… should be able to get some somewhere Regards Coop

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – could try RACWA on (08)94170000 ask for Glenn. If he hasn’t got any he might know who does! CmiJ Couldn’t find your original post for Gipsy Major valves to reply to. Contacted Mick at Gawler and he will ring you, reckons he knows where he can get his hands on some. Ric Thanks guys- I also have my feelers out in the UK… should be able to get some somewhere Regards

Repair by replacement.  Stick "Experimental" on the side and bolt a Lycoming into it

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Repair by replacement.  Stick "Experimental" on the side and bolt a Lycoming into it

WHAT?!! And lose all that Character????? Coop

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Repair by replacement.  Stick "Experimental" on the side and bolt a Lycoming into it WHAT?!! And lose all that Character????? Coop

You wanna fly or you wanna character?  :-)

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lycs dont leak oil

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coop, hows the radio going

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Repair by replacement.  Stick "Experimental" on the side and bolt a Lycoming into it WHAT?!! And lose all that Character????? Coop You wanna fly or you wanna character?  :-)

Got both! Not Changin’ Coop (Anyway, what would I do with all my unused oil rags?)

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Got both! Not Changin’ Coop (Anyway, what would I do with all my unused oil rags?)

Coop you have tried the Bunn brothers up at Avondale just west of Albury? actually their certified gypsy workshop is on a farm just north of Avondale, used to be Russell Drysdale’s old property …Bungowannah? I’m sure Don and Robert (or is it Bruce) could help you. should have a number in the Albury phone book. Stealth Pilot

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Repair by replacement.  Stick "Experimental" on the side and bolt a Lycoming into it WHAT?!! And lose all that Character???? You wanna fly or you wanna character?  :-) Got both! Not Changin’ (Anyway, what would I do with all my unused oil rags?)

There should be some huge environmental penalty for continuing to pollute How many hours on the steam engine – er, Gypsy Major – anyway?   Have never done it, but always been fascinated by the requirement to hand-scrape the mains in those engines……. (Big ends too?) Um – for those wot aren’t familiar with engine overhauls, on modern engines you buy bearing shells, fit them and check the clearance and that’s it. They are called tri-metal bearings – they have a steel back, a buffer layer (copper or copper alloy) then the actual bearing surface. On the old steam engines you’d cast in place new white metal bearings and then fit them to the shaft by scraping away the excess metal with one or more hand scrapers until you had the required clearance between shaft and bearing.   The old (Pommy and other) engines used a modification of the same technique.   It sounds a bit ordinary, but in fact seems to have worked quite well.

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lycs dont leak oil

Auster airframes with Gypsys don’t rust

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lycs dont leak oil

That’s because they have no character….. Coop

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Repair by replacement.  Stick "Experimental" on the side and bolt a Lycoming into it WHAT?!! And lose all that Character???? You wanna fly or you wanna character?  :-) Got both! Not Changin’ (Anyway, what would I do with all my unused oil rags?) There should be some huge environmental penalty for continuing to pollute How many hours on the steam engine – er, Gypsy Major – anyway?   Have never done it, but always been fascinated by the requirement to hand-scrape the mains in those engines……. (Big ends too?) Um – for those wot aren’t familiar with engine overhauls, on modern engines you buy bearing shells, fit them and check the clearance and that’s it. They are called tri-metal bearings – they have a steel back, a buffer layer (copper or copper alloy) then the actual bearing surface. On the old steam engines you’d cast in place new white metal bearings and then fit them to the shaft by scraping away the excess metal with one or more hand scrapers until you had the required clearance between shaft and bearing.   The old (Pommy and other) engines used a modification of the same technique.   It sounds a bit ordinary, but in fact seems to have worked quite well.

Hours? You mean, you’re supposed to record the hours? I thought you just kept on using the engine until either the compression got so low that you could twirl the prop with one finger, or the oil pressure failed to move the needle on the gauge any more…. Seriously, I began recording the oil pressure at 700rpm before shut-down after each long flight a few years back, and so far it hasn’t changed- still steady at about 34psi (plus or minus a bit depending on temp). Mind you, she does get looked after right royally- oil changed every 25 hours (or less), plenty of warm-up time, no rapid changes in throttle (emergencies excepted) and mostly long flights of an hour or more. It won’t be much longer and she’ll be "on condition" (1500 hours) but I’m confident her condition will see me through for a good few hours yet. Currently doing about 50-80 hour each year. Just got back from a very pleaseant weekend on Kangaroo Island- interesting trip down dodging rain showers down to about 700′, flew back at 5,500 looking down at the inversion layer where the tree-huggers had dirtied the sky with their wood fires and diesel 4WD’s…… Pollution- indeed!! (Humph) Coop

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could try RACWA on (08)94170000 ask for Glenn. If he hasn’t got any he might know who does! CmiJ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Couldn’t find your original post for Gipsy Major valves to reply to. Contacted Mick at Gawler and he will ring you, reckons he knows where he can get his hands on some. Ric

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Couldn’t find your original post for Gipsy Major valves to reply to. Contacted Mick at Gawler and he will ring you, reckons he knows where he can get his hands on some. Ric

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Balloon Flight Questions

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Also I’m curious if there’s any operational reason why balloons set off at dawn. I would have thought they’d float better with the thinner air as the day heats up. They require a difference in temperature between the inside of the envelope and the outside, hence they fly in the cooler mornings. Brad. Wind during landing makes landings difficult and increases risk. You get much less wind in the early mornings. Plus you get more lift in the cooler air (as others said). The main limiting factor on envelope life is the absolute temperature of the air in the balloon. Hotter means shorter life. Another good reason to fly in the early morning. You should try it at least once in your life- it’s a fascinating experience, not easily forgotten. Coop Landing is not so much of a deal, unless there is a gale blowing. You wedge yourself in the basket and that takes the brunt of the landing – surprisingly smooth actually. A good operator can land it just about anywhere.

I disagree- with balloons, landing is *the* deal. Stuff it up and you drag through power lines, crash into walls, tangle onto towers, crunch through trees, or drag through fences. Balloons have quite a bit of inertia, and don’t change direction quickly. However, as viz says, on a good day with calm conditions, they can gently bump down so you hardly even feel it- and doing a "touch and go" on a tree canopy is real fun! But don’t get out before the man tells you or you will be sworn at as they soar skywards again….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Coop is right – envelope life is limited by temperature at the top of the balloon – it can be 100

Obtaining Briefing – Advise Please

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yeh i had a feeling there was a rule similar.. but cannot find it anywhere! the only rule i keep finding, "if flight is away from vicinity of aerodrome, forecast is required!" jad – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi guys, Planning on going for a short overnight trip on the weekend for the first time since gaining my PPL(A). Regarding the weather forecast, I will not have internet access for Naips where I am staying (which is the normal way that I get a forecast). What is the best way to obtain a forecast on the day I wish to return. I know I can use FIS (once airborne) or DECTALK.. Keep in mind, the trip is only 48nm between airports. Any advise would be great! Thanks, Jad I believe that you only need weather for flights over 65 miles. so look out the window. watch the weather on the news, use your noggin and fly it. Stealth Pilot

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Hi guys, Planning on going for a short overnight trip on the weekend for the first time since gaining my PPL(A). Regarding the weather forecast, I will not have internet access for Naips where I am staying (which is the normal way that I get a forecast). What is the best way to obtain a forecast on the day I wish to return. I know I can use FIS (once airborne) or DECTALK.. Keep in mind, the trip is only 48nm between airports. Any advise would be great! Thanks, Jad

 I have the AWS numbers for a lot of the airports in NSW in my mobile so I can check local conditions easily…. Have a look at the naips/aopa thing before leaving home just to check

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi guys, Planning on going for a short overnight trip on the weekend for the first time since gaining my PPL(A). Regarding the weather forecast, I will not have internet access for Naips where I am staying (which is the normal way that I get a forecast). What is the best way to obtain a forecast on the day I wish to return. I know I can use FIS (once airborne) or DECTALK.. Keep in mind, the trip is only 48nm between airports. Any advise would be great! Thanks, Jad

Sorry I didn’t read your line about not having quick access to the wx details… Others have also replied. Have a good flight!!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi guys, Planning on going for a short overnight trip on the weekend for the first time since gaining my PPL(A). Regarding the weather forecast, I will not have internet access for Naips where I am staying (which is the normal way that I get a forecast). What is the best way to obtain a forecast on the day I wish to return. I know I can use FIS (once airborne) or DECTALK.. Keep in mind, the trip is only 48nm between airports. Any advise would be great! Thanks, Jad I believe that you only need weather for flights over 65 miles. so look out the window. watch the weather on the news, use your noggin and fly it.

For a flight that short, looking out the window will usually suffice if you have a good idea of what might be coming. For example, last tuesday in Melbourne was a lovely day. Warm, clear skies. Then at 5pm up the bay came a cool change with none of the usual frontal indicators (high surface winds from the north, lots of cirrus clouds etc etc). Cloud was broken 1200ft, which would have made VFR flight interesting. If you knew the front was coming, all would be fine and dandy, but just by looking out the window you would not necessarily have known. Options for weather briefings are Dectalk, avfax and ringing the briefing office. Bevan..

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Hi guys, Planning on going for a short overnight trip on the weekend for the first time since gaining my PPL(A). Regarding the weather forecast, I will not have internet access for Naips where I am staying (which is the normal way that I get a forecast). What is the best way to obtain a forecast on the day I wish to return. I know I can use FIS (once airborne) or DECTALK.. Keep in mind, the trip is only 48nm between airports. Any advise would be great! Thanks, Jad

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Ring the Weather Bureau in your nearest capital. You will find them more than helpful. Also look at the TV weather the night before. If its good, then look outside in the morning and if it looks like the TV news said it would be go for that half hour flight with gusto!!! I don’t mean in any way to trivialise weather, its killed some good aviation mates of mine but when you have a short flight and the general weather scene is good don’t get too worried about it. Enjoy yourself!!! — Bernie Samms Kingston Beach Tasmania Aero Club of Southern Tasmania  www.acst.com.au Prologic Pty Ltd                          www.prologic.com.au Out Mail has been checked by Norton Anti Virus but no absolute guarantee is made that mail or attachment(s) are virus free.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi guys, Planning on going for a short overnight trip on the weekend for the first time since gaining my PPL(A). Regarding the weather forecast, I will not have internet access for Naips where I am staying (which is the normal way that I get a forecast). What is the best way to obtain a forecast on the day I wish to return. I know I can use FIS (once airborne) or DECTALK.. Keep in mind, the trip is only 48nm between airports. Any advise would be great! Thanks, Jad

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi guys, Planning on going for a short overnight trip on the weekend for the first time since gaining my PPL(A). Regarding the weather forecast, I will not have internet access for Naips where I am staying (which is the normal way that I get a forecast). What is the best way to obtain a forecast on the day I wish to return. I know I can use FIS (once airborne) or DECTALK.. Keep in mind, the trip is only 48nm between airports. Any advise would be great! Thanks, Jad

I always use DECTALK- but have the codes handy to slow down the read speed- unless you can do shorthand…. Coop

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi guys, Planning on going for a short overnight trip on the weekend for the first time since gaining my PPL(A). Regarding the weather forecast, I will not have internet access for Naips where I am staying (which is the normal way that I get a forecast). What is the best way to obtain a forecast on the day I wish to return. I know I can use FIS (once airborne) or DECTALK.. Keep in mind, the trip is only 48nm between airports. Any advise would be great! Thanks, Jad

I believe that you only need weather for flights over 65 miles. so look out the window. watch the weather on the news, use your noggin and fly it. Stealth Pilot

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Using a tablet PC when airborne?

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NavAero.com — Thx,  {|;-) Victor J. (Jim) Osborne, Jr. take off my shoes to reply

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Hi, I’ve been told that airline operations increasingly use tablet PCs for ground planning purposes, and perhaps also in flight.

I just bought a Fujitsu ST4121 to display moving map software and XM / WxWorx Sat weather.  I have not flown with it yet, but believe it is small enough, light enough, and thin enough to be effective in the cockpit.  Most importantly, it has a tranflective screen, so the display actually gets brighter in sunlight.  Anyway, I will give the rec.aviation group an update once I do get to fly with it. I had been using an IBM Thinkpad for this before, but it had several shortcomings for this application.   #1.  In bright sunlight – the screen gets washed out. #2.  At night – lack of brightness/dimness controls. #3.  The ‘fold open’ display is unacceptable for space reasons. For those that have not flown with the XM Sat Weather (by WxWorx) – it is amazing.  It greatly increases my confidence while flying both VFR or IFR XCs.  The benefits of the nexrad radar are obvious, but I am finding the graphical access to METAR and Winds aloft data to be beneficial as well.  It is so much easier and gives a better picture than calling up Flightwatch to get the info.  The TFR representations are nice as well. -Nathan

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Here is a link about my Fujitsu Stylistic LTC P600 that I got on eBay for $330: http://www.razorsedgesoft.com/fujistu.htm Dean Wilkinson http://www.razorsedgesoft.com/airplan/index.htm

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Here is a link about my Fujitsu Stylistic LTC P600 that I got on eBay for $330: http://www.razorsedgesoft.com/fujistu.htm

Uh, forgive me for correcting someone elses URL, but I belive that should be: http://www.razorsedgesoft.com/fujiTSu.htm — Frank Stutzman Bonanza N494B     "Hula Girl" Hood River, OR

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Well I tired em and they were about as useful as a chcolate fireguard, impossible in turbulence, way to big for  a ga cockpit and runninn out of power  cables everywhere, a waste of space! give me a decent panel mount and a portable strapped thto the coaming!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is a link about my Fujitsu Stylistic LTC P600 that I got on eBay for $330: http://www.razorsedgesoft.com/fujistu.htm Uh, forgive me for correcting someone elses URL, but I belive that should be: http://www.razorsedgesoft.com/fujiTSu.htm — Frank Stutzman Bonanza N494B     "Hula Girl" Hood River, OR

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It gets real interesting when you are bouncing around in turbulence. I have an Apple Newton 2100 that I have used to record flight information on. The Newton is kneeboard size. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ve been told that airline operations increasingly use tablet PCs for ground planning purposes, and perhaps also in flight. Also some private pilots use the Jepp products in flight. I wonder what tablet-type PCs they use – most current tablet products have 12" screens which makes them too big to rest on one’s lap alongside the usual stuff. I think the job calls for a compact 8" screen tablet, something like http://uk.itronix-europe.com/products/tablet/Gobooktablet.asp I know a few IFR pilots who use the discontinued Fujitsu LTP-600 http://www.fujitsupc.com/www/products_pentablets.shtml?products/penta… and their consensus is that anything bigger is too big. Any views here? Finally, I know that in the USA one can get traffic data (via the Mode S channel, I believe) and weather radar images (via commercial subscription services). I know about showing this on multifunction displays (I fly behind a KMD550 which takes a stormscope feed) but is there any facility to display this data on a tablet PC or a PDA? It seems a really obvious thing to do. Not here in Europe though – not enough private pilots to make it worth anyone’s while… One would have to convert the data coming out of a Mode S transponder (ARINC?) and feed it into the PC via bluetooth perhaps… Peter. — Return address is invalid to help stop junk mail. Please do NOT copy usenet posts to email – it is NOT necessary.

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Need 30 More hours 200HR TT In 1 Year

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This entire month has been horrible so far wonder if it can get any worse? let see so far it been a Cracked Tooth, 2 extractions, and a Dry Socket and more extractions to come, I turned 28 years old and someone hit my car and took off while at the movies thank god it was caught on security cams hopefully they will find the person. What’s next some one going to steal my airplane! well when it rains it pores doesn’t it!

You are only 28 and have your own aeroplane – doesn’t sound too shabby to me!!  :-) — Steve E-mail: steve at flyingtigerwebdesign dot com

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"I Hit the throttle I lift off the ground my body makes adrenalin and that creates dopamine. wich I like!  Adrenalin & Dopamine is natural and is the best drug known to man. I can actualy say I want to get "High" and that I Look forward to A.A. (Altitude and Adrenalin) What a Fealing It Is To Fly!! Isn’t that prohibited by the FAA?

I’m sure that they have a FAR somewhere that says you can’t enjoy flying. Just don’t admit to it.  :-) George Patterson      If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have      been looking for it.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well it is a bad month for me so far, I am not going to make my goal of 200HR TT by the 29th this darn dry socket is not healing fast enough and the weather is getting worse. I may get 2 days of flying in dependant upon weather. Thursday afternoon I get two more teeth extracted. I hope I don’t get a dry socket during that round. Then my airplane will be down for annual inspection some time in October what a bummer this is! oh well. This entire month has been horrible so far wonder if it can get any worse? let see so far it been a Cracked Tooth, 2 extractions, and a Dry Socket and more extractions to come, I turned 28 years old and someone hit my car and took off while at the movies thank god it was caught on security cams hopefully they will find the person. What’s next some one going to steal my airplane! well when it rains it pores doesn’t it! Well I feel like I am up physically for flying tomorrow if the weather is VFR I know I will be in my airplane finally. "I Hit the throttle I lift off the ground my body makes adrenalin and that creates dopamine. wich I like!  Adrenalin & Dopamine is natural and is the best drug known to man. I can actualy say I want to get "High" and that I Look forward to A.A. (Altitude and Adrenalin) What a Fealing It Is To Fly!! Can you get addiced to flying? Answer is yes you sure can

A spelling and punctuation checker might ease the pain and suffering of aviation addiction – that is, if you’re going to write about it.. Dave Blevins

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"I Hit the throttle I lift off the ground my body makes adrenalin and that creates dopamine. wich I like!  Adrenalin & Dopamine is natural and is the best drug known to man. I can actualy say I want to get "High" and that I Look forward to A.A. (Altitude and Adrenalin) What a Fealing It Is To

Fly!! Isn’t that prohibited by the FAA?

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Mike, [...] I’m looking forward to getting a nice easy 135 job that will limit me to 80 hours/month.  Thatseems so much more manageable.

Thank you, get-paid-for-flying-guy, for this comment. That makes us pay-for-flying-guys feel _much_ better… Regards Kai

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Well it is a bad month for me so far, I am not going to make my goal of 200HR TT by the 29th this darn dry socket is not healing fast enough and the weather is getting worse. I may get 2 days of flying in dependant upon weather. Thursday afternoon I get two more teeth extracted. I hope I don’t get a dry socket during that round. Then my airplane will be down for annual inspection some time in October what a bummer this is! oh well. This entire month has been horrible so far wonder if it can get any worse? let see so far it been a Cracked Tooth, 2 extractions, and a Dry Socket and more extractions to come, I turned 28 years old and someone hit my car and took off while at the movies thank god it was caught on security cams hopefully they will find the person. What’s next some one going to steal my airplane! well when it rains it pores doesn’t it! Well I feel like I am up physically for flying tomorrow if the weather is VFR I know I will be in my airplane finally. "I Hit the throttle I lift off the ground my body makes adrenalin and that creates dopamine. wich I like!  Adrenalin & Dopamine is natural and is the best drug known to man. I can actualy say I want to get "High" and that I Look forward to A.A. (Altitude and Adrenalin) What a Fealing It Is To Fly!! Can you get addiced to flying? Answer is yes you sure can

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Update, I almost put in 200 hours TT this year the 29th of this month will be 1 year since I started after my bout with phenomena and a collapsed lung. I am about 30 hours short of 200TT it should not be a problem if the weather holds to do them 30 hours. I got 1 more round at the dentist and 2 more teeth to be pulled on the 24th "Ill tell you all Dry Socket Really Sucks Glad It’s Over, So Dose 3 Hours In Chair Being Cut On And Hammard On" I Also hope to put in 200 hours PIC by December 14 2004 1 year from earning my PP-ASEL. October 22 Is the Day I soloed and the say I quit smoking (3 packs a day) Cold Turkey I have not had any tobacco products since. (D50) Well talk with you all later 3:30am and Time For Bed Steven L Rhine C-150 N7676U Home Base; Evergreen Field (59S) PP-ASEL Instrument Student Home Page: Http://www.warflying.net

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Update, I almost put in 200 hours TT this year the 29th of this month will be 1 year since I started after my bout with phenomena and a collapsed lung. I am about 30 hours short of 200TT it should not be a problem if the weather holds to do them 30 hours. I got 1 more round at the dentist and 2 more teeth to be pulled on the 24th "Ill tell you all Dry Socket Really Sucks Glad It’s Over, So Dose 3 Hours In Chair Being Cut On And Hammard On" I Also hope to put in 200 hours PIC by December 14 2004 1 year from earning my PP-ASEL. October 22 Is the Day I soloed and the say I quit smoking (3 packs a day) Cold Turkey I have not had any tobacco products since. Well talk with you all later 3:30am and Time For Bed Steven L Rhine C-150 N7676U Home Base; Evergreen Field (59S) PP-ASEL Instrument Student Home Page: Http://www.warflying.net

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Dang, that’s a bunch of solo hours. Mary and I have about 200 hours this year — together! — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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"Jay Honeck"  wrote Dang, that’s a bunch of solo hours.

He must have spent most of his time in an airplane instead of an English Composition class. Bob Moore

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Dang, that’s a bunch of solo hours. He must have spent most of his time in an airplane instead of an English Composition class.

I met a Cirrus demo pilot the other day who put 900+ hours in last year. I can’t fathom that — although I’d like to try it someday. — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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I met a Cirrus demo pilot the other day who put 900+ hours in last year. I can’t fathom that — although I’d like to try it someday.

Ok if someone else is paying for the petrol! Just in fuel that would cost me more than my salary. Before tax! Paul

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"Jay Honeck"  wrote Dang, that’s a bunch of solo hours. He must have spent most of his time in an airplane instead of an English Composition class.

At 3:30 AM, I don’t type very well either. George Patterson      If you want to know God’s opinion of money, just look at the people      he gives it to.

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I met a Cirrus demo pilot the other day who put 900+ hours in last year. I can’t fathom that — although I’d like to try it someday.

I can’t either. My top year was a little over 100, and much of that was getting used to the Maule. George Patterson      If you want to know God’s opinion of money, just look at the people      he gives it to.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Update, I almost put in 200 hours TT this year the 29th of this month will be 1 year since I started after my bout with phenomena and a collapsed lung. I am about 30 hours short of 200TT it should not be a problem if the weather holds to do them 30 hours. I got 1 more round at the dentist and 2 more teeth to be pulled on the 24th "Ill tell you all Dry Socket Really Sucks Glad It’s Over, So Dose 3 Hours In Chair Being Cut On And Hammard On" I Also hope to put in 200 hours PIC by December 14 2004 1 year from earning my PP-ASEL. October 22 Is the Day I soloed and the say I quit smoking (3 packs a day) Cold Turkey I have not had any tobacco products since.

(D50) Congrats on the many successful milestones – sounds like you have (and continue to) work through several issues there. I put in around 200 hours last year, probably will fall a bit short of that this year but still should be somewhere around 180 hours or so (depends on the weather – it seems like we may be in for an unusually early fall this year).  Witt he shorter days and the coming of the Big Gray Drip I figure now’s the time to get in a few more long day trips.  Hope the weather cooperates! — David Herman N6170T 1965 Cessna 150E Boeing Field (BFI), Seattle, WA – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - http://www.pacificnorthwestflying.com/

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Just in fuel that would cost me more than my salary. Before tax!

Mine, too — but that’s cuz I’m pouring everything we make back into the hotel remodeling… Of course, your petrol prices are a wee bit higher than ours, no? — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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I met a Cirrus demo pilot the other day who put 900+ hours in last year. I can’t fathom that — although I’d like to try it someday. I used to say that.  Then I got a bunch of instructor ratings, and all of a sudden people were actually paying me to fly.  I guess I went overboard – I had multiple students going, and the next thing I knew, I had over 300 hours for the year and it wasn’t even over. I noticed something else, too.  I wasn’t looking forward to flying the way I used to.  Sometimes I got in the airplane with no enthusiasm at all.  It was becoming too much like work.  It was also absorbing every spare moment I had.  I even started talking about selling my airplane.

<snip Ah, I know that feeling.  Just got done with (what I hope) was my last season banner towing.  450 hours in 3 months, felt like most days I needed a shoehorn to get myself out of that Cub.  But I still woke up each morning looking forward to going to work (though by about 2:00 in the afternoon I was counting down the hours ’till the end of the day.)  I’m looking forward to getting a nice easy 135 job that will limit me to 80 hours/month.  That seems so much more manageable.

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I met a Cirrus demo pilot the other day who put 900+ hours in last year. I can’t fathom that — although I’d like to try it someday.

I used to say that.  Then I got a bunch of instructor ratings, and all of a sudden people were actually paying me to fly.  I guess I went overboard – I had multiple students going, and the next thing I knew, I had over 300 hours for the year and it wasn’t even over. I noticed something else, too.  I wasn’t looking forward to flying the way I used to.  Sometimes I got in the airplane with no enthusiasm at all.  It was becoming too much like work.  It was also absorbing every spare moment I had.  I even started talking about selling my airplane. I don’t do that anymore.  I carefully limit the number of students I take on.  I’m back to my preferred level of flying – about 20 hours a month, give or take.  I’m back to looking forward to every flight, and back to having time for doing other things. And every time I think about flying for a living, I think about that year. Michael

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Cessna 182 down at Hurricane Ridge

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Yeah. Me, too. Tacoma Narrows to Port Angeles is a good route for teaching students what to think about when planning a cross country. It has everything: water, mountains, good landmarks, airways, TFRs, Sasquatch villages…

Not being from the west, I’ve never looked at this sectional.  Just how is "Big Foot" depicted on a sectional, anyway? <g — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Yeah. Me, too. Tacoma Narrows to Port Angeles is a good route for teaching students what to think about when planning a cross country. It has everything: water, mountains, good landmarks, airways, TFRs, Sasquatch villages… Not being from the west, I’ve never looked at this sectional.  Just how is "Big Foot" depicted on a sectional, anyway? <g — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

You need to call the controlling authority to see if the BOA (Bigfoot Operating Area) is active.  Some guys don’t call and just fly through there anyway, and as such, some guys have tall tales to tell! Bela P. Havasreti

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Cutting that corner can be nasty. Being a devout coward, I always went east to Port Townsend before turning. Yeah. Me, too. Tacoma Narrows to Port Angeles is a good route for teaching students what to think about when planning a cross country. It has everything: water, mountains, good landmarks, airways, TFRs, Sasquatch villages…

We spent five days hiking south-east of Sol Duc Hot Springs last month – that’s pretty rugged country all the way through there. Those folks are lucky the mountains didn’t just eat the plane right up… I’ve never flow thru the Olympics, but just the route from Victoria (CYYJ) to Olympia via Port Townsend is spectacular enough – at least they’ve shrunk the ‘T’FRs now! Brian. PP-ASEL/Night

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Cutting that corner can be nasty. Being a devout coward, I always went east to Port Townsend before turning.

Yeah. Me, too. Tacoma Narrows to Port Angeles is a good route for teaching students what to think about when planning a cross country. It has everything: water, mountains, good landmarks, airways, TFRs, Sasquatch villages…

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Now the news reports are saying that the plane took off at 9:45 last night and that campers at the Heart O’ the Hills campground heard the crash at about 10:00 pm. The plane has been spotted from the air and about 20 rescuers are on the way. Those people on the plane had to spend all night out there in the rain. Brrrr. Bet they are looking forward to some warm food and blankets.

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Washington State Department of Transportation Aviation News Service August 4, 2004 Wreckage of Missing Plane Found Near Port Angeles Port Angeles

OSH WX

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With an 80% chance of no rain. Mike MU-2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The NOAA site is showing less than 20% chance of rain Sunday through Thursday.

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The NOAA site is showing less than 20% chance of rain Sunday through Thursday.

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The NOAA site is showing less than 20% chance of rain Sunday through Thursday.

Don’t believe it. But, that’s OSH.   As long as it’s VFR on the way in — and a week later, on the way out — I don’t care about the weather! — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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Anyone else crawling out of their skin…

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: Dang — the rec.aviation party is Wednesday night.  Sorry about the : timing… : : We will be at our site most (but not all) evenings after the airshow, if you : can drop by, we’ll have a cold one ready for ya!a : Shoot. I must have missed the thread where that was worked out. OK, I’ll look : for you. Thanks for the invitation. : Dave Hmmm, I guess I missed the thread as well. No worries, though. I intend to arrive with ‘76J on Monday afternoon and leave Friday morning, so I shall attempt to visit the rao group Wednesday. Perhaps I’ll even make it this year! — Aaron Coolidge (N9376J)

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    I’m not heading for Oshkosh, but if the weather’s nice, I may try to   drop   by for the pool party.     Sounds great!     Why no OSH?   It’s the only place to be during the last week of July!       —   Jay Honeck   Iowa City, IA   Pathfinder N56993   www.AlexisParkInn.com   "Your Aviation Destination"     As someone else replied, no time or money. My wife is expecting the first of October. Gotta save up my vacation time…   Keep a nice bubble of good weather over the area. I guess if the weather goes bad I can just put on the foggles…

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Okay, it looks like it will be the "stretch"-182 this year, same as last year. Another club member has the airplane until Monday night, but in the event he gets back early, I may arrive by Monday night, weather permitting. If I leave Tuesday morning, I’ll be there by noon.

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Hmmm, I guess I missed the thread as well. No worries, though. I intend to arrive with ‘76J on Monday afternoon and leave Friday morning, so I shall attempt to visit the rao group Wednesday. Perhaps I’ll even make it this year!

Thou shalt attend! Montblack is bringing food, etc., this year, so we don’t get too inebriated before supper, whilst Jim is bringing Da Grill. (I hope!) I’m looking forward to having women dance on my plane again this year… — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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…in anticipation for Oshkosh? No money or time.

George, George, GEORGE. We’ve been attending Oshkosh for 22 straight years. To put that in perspective, in 1982 I was 23 years old, a year out of college, working as an entry level district manager in a small-town newspaper, and still DATING Mary. Since then, I’ve worked for four different newspapers, started three (and closed two) businesses, gotten married, had two children, moved three times (once to a different state), and made, lost, and made (and may lose) a fortune. In ALL that time, the ONLY constant in my life has been Oshkosh. Oshkosh ain’t heaven, but it’s damned close.  Don’t miss it — for anything. — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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  As someone else replied, no time or money. My wife is expecting the first of October. Gotta save up my vacation time…

Hee hee!  In 1990 I attended OSH without Mary — cuz she was due to deliver on or about the first of August! I called her (from a pay phone — no cell phone for me until later that year!) every hour on the hour, to make sure she was okay.  (She and I delivered our son on August 10th.) So don’t worry — just call her every so often!   Keep a nice bubble of good weather over the area. I guess if the weather goes bad I can just put on the foggles…

It is guaranteed to be good.  After all — it’s Oshkosh! — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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As an Oshkosh virgin, and I’m way excited!  By the way, stop by the Virginia Dept of Aviation (booth #3105) and say hi, I’ll be working from Friday through Sunday.

Will do! Watch for me — I’ll be the sunburned guy wearing the goofy EAA hat…. — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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As an Oshkosh virgin, and I’m way excited!  By the way, stop by the Virginia Dept of Aviation (booth #3105) and say hi, I’ll be working from Friday through Sunday. Will do! Watch for me — I’ll be the sunburned guy wearing the goofy EAA hat….

That narrows it down

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we been going for the last two years flying in but only the last two days so this year now that we sold all the business we may be able to stop by the poll party and arrive like everybody else hope to see you all soon ( Yes the work search will dictate if we can make it LOL) If we don’t see you have a great time at the Mecca Laurent – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …in anticipation for Oshkosh? No money or time. George Patterson      In Idaho, tossing a rattlesnake into a crowded room is felony assault.      In Tennessee, it’s evangelism.

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Well…not exactly crawling out of my skin (an image I didn’t really need of you Jay)…but definitely getting ready for the big adventure heading there from the left coast.  Plan is to be wheels up Saturday at 7:00, call it a day in Scottsbluff, NE, then arrive in Fon du Lac Sunday afternoon…all weather permitting of course.  You did order up some good weather, right Jay?  :-) Looking forward to seeing everyone Wednesday or if we manage to bump into one another during the week. — Jack Allison PP-ASEL, IA Student "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return"  - Leonardo Da Vinci

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Excellent! I’ll go to the booth and get my clearance to your site number….maybe they’ll give me "direct"! ;  -  )

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where will you be located? I’m arriving on Wed and departing on Sat. Hi Pete — We’ll be somewhere in the North Forty camping area.   There is no way to tell where, exactly — they park us sequentially as we arrive, and there are THOUSANDS of airplanes. Just go to the North 40 camping check-in booth, and give them my "N" number (below), and the nice EAA folks will vector you right to our row and site number! — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" Jay, Pete …in anticipation for Oshkosh? I can’t wait much longer, or I’ll bust! — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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As an Oshkosh virgin, and I’m way excited!  By the way, stop by the Virginia Dept of Aviation (booth #3105) and say hi, I’ll be working from Friday through Sunday. Brad

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …in anticipation for Oshkosh? I can’t wait much longer, or I’ll bust! — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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…in anticipation for Oshkosh?

No money or time. George Patterson      In Idaho, tossing a rattlesnake into a crowded room is felony assault.      In Tennessee, it’s evangelism.

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Where will you be located? I’m arriving on Wed and departing on Sat.

Hi Pete — We’ll be somewhere in the North Forty camping area.   There is no way to tell where, exactly — they park us sequentially as we arrive, and there are THOUSANDS of airplanes. Just go to the North 40 camping check-in booth, and give them my "N" number (below), and the nice EAA folks will vector you right to our row and site number! — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jay, Pete …in anticipation for Oshkosh? I can’t wait much longer, or I’ll bust! — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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Jay, Where will you be located? I’m arriving on Wed and departing on Sat. Pete

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …in anticipation for Oshkosh? I can’t wait much longer, or I’ll bust! — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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…in anticipation for Oshkosh? I can’t wait much longer, or I’ll bust!

Not really paying much attention to it. —                                     __!__ Jay and Teresa Masino             ___(_)___ http://www2.ari.net/jmasino        !  !  ! http://www.oceancityairport.com http://www.oc-adolfos.com

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  I’m not heading for Oshkosh, but if the weather’s nice, I may try to drop by for the pool party.

Sounds great! Why no OSH?   It’s the only place to be during the last week of July! — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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Not really paying much attention to it.

What amazing self-restraint! — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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…in anticipation for Oshkosh? I can’t wait much longer, or I’ll bust!

Can we settle on a designated time/place/process for rec.aviation.* denizens to get together? I’ll be arriving Friday eve and departing Monday mid-day. I’ll be arriving by airline to Chicago and staying in a motel, but would enjoy catching up with my rec.aviation friends if possible. Of course I have Jay’s N-number , and some other one’s from last year’s postings. Dave

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Can we settle on a designated time/place/process for rec.aviation.* denizens to get together? I’ll be arriving Friday eve and departing Monday mid-day. I’ll be arriving by airline to Chicago and staying in a motel, but would enjoy catching up with my rec.aviation friends if possible. Of course I have Jay’s N-number , and some other one’s from last year’s postings.

Dang — the rec.aviation party is Wednesday night.  Sorry about the timing… We will be at our site most (but not all) evenings after the airshow, if you can drop by, we’ll have a cold one ready for ya! — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can we settle on a designated time/place/process for rec.aviation.* denizens to get together? I’ll be arriving Friday eve and departing Monday mid-day. I’ll be arriving by airline to Chicago and staying in a motel, but would enjoy catching up with my rec.aviation friends if possible. Of course I have Jay’s N-number , and some other one’s from last year’s postings. Dang — the rec.aviation party is Wednesday night.  Sorry about the timing… We will be at our site most (but not all) evenings after the airshow, if you can drop by, we’ll have a cold one ready for ya!a

Shoot. I must have missed the thread where that was worked out. OK, I’ll look for you. Thanks for the invitation. Dave

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  I’m not heading for Oshkosh, but if the weather’s nice, I may try to drop by for the pool party.   …in anticipation for Oshkosh?     I can’t wait much longer, or I’ll bust!       —   Jay Honeck   Iowa City, IA   Pathfinder N56993   www.AlexisParkInn.com   "Your Aviation Destination"    

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…in anticipation for Oshkosh? I can’t wait much longer, or I’ll bust!

nah, I’m in MA waiting for the DNC.  I’m curious to see how much stupidity will extend out from Boston. — Bob Noel

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…in anticipation for Oshkosh? I can’t wait much longer, or I’ll bust! — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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…in anticipation for Oshkosh? I can’t wait much longer, or I’ll bust! — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

Wheels up at 8:00 am Saturday.  Should be in my parking spot by 9:30 am. Reviewing catalogs for what I need and might want to purchase helps pass the time.

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