Gov't lost a plane?
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Sorry if this has been posted before. I caught the tail end of a report last night about a distraught pilot who is MIA with a plane. CNN hinted he may have stolen it. The gov’t says that is a remote possibility, but thinks he just crashed. Anyone have any info on what type of plane and where it "crashed"? — Will Simmons http://futures.wharton.upenn.edu/~simmon15 ..few graphics, lots o’ web info. The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania "Diversification is protection against ignorance. It is of little value to those who know what they are doing." -Warren Buffet
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Sorry if this has been posted before. I caught the tail end of a report last night about a distraught pilot who is MIA with a plane. CNN hinted he may have stolen it. The gov’t says that is a remote possibility, but thinks he just crashed. Anyone have any info on what type of plane and where it "crashed"?
USAF A10 Warthog. They assume it went down near Vail Colorado.
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Sorry if this has been posted before. I caught the tail end of a report last night about a distraught pilot who is MIA with a plane. CNN hinted he may have stolen it. The gov’t says that is a remote possibility, but thinks he just crashed. Anyone have any info on what type of plane and where it "crashed"? USAF A10 Warthog. They assume it went down near Vail Colorado.
Pierre Salinger claims its the same pilot who shot down TWA 800. Now the government is trying to cover up the truth by making him disappear. Big Brother is watching and keeping track of what you post. I have removed my personal information from the header and moved it here. EMail Address: |worldnet . | | att . net | Full Name: -John?Miano-
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Perhaps this guy has seen the movie Broken Arrow way too many times and wants to blackmail the government for some bucks in exchange for a couple of Mk 82s he’s got… 
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I heard that the pilot may have commited suicide. Anyone? Sorry if this has been posted before. I caught the tail end of a report last night about a distraught pilot who is MIA with a plane. CNN hinted he may have stolen it. The gov’t says that is a remote possibility, but thinks he just crashed. Anyone have any info on what type of plane and where it "crashed"? — Will Simmons http://futures.wharton.upenn.edu/~simmon15 ..few graphics, lots o’ web info. The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania "Diversification is protection against ignorance. It is of little value to those who know what they are doing." -Warren Buffet
Kevin http://shell.idt.net/~kthor/flying.htm
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I read the USA Today article the other day and was surprised to read the reporter citing the scuttlebut on the internet. Now, while I am interested to see what everyone had to say about this, I doubt anyone who REALLY knows is chatting away in our newsgroup about it. Kinda scary we are a news source, huh? Kimberley Shropshire
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Will Check out alt.disasters.aviation. They’ve got several threads going about this, some pretty wild. J — "It takes a big man to cry, but it takes an even bigger man to laugh at that man." Jack Handey Sorry if this has been posted before. I caught the tail end of a report last night about a distraught pilot who is MIA with a plane. CNN hinted he may have stolen it. The gov’t says that is a remote possibility, but thinks he just crashed. Anyone have any info on what type of plane and where it "crashed"? —
** Will Simmons http://futures.wharton.upenn.edu/~simmon15 ..few graphics, lots o’ web info. The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania "Diversification is protection against ignorance. It is of little value to those who know what they are doing." -Warren Buffet
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I read the USA Today article the other day and was surprised to read the reporter citing the scuttlebut on the internet. Now, while I am interested to see what everyone had to say about this, I doubt anyone who REALLY knows is chatting away in our newsgroup about it. Kinda scary we are a news source, huh? Kimberley Shropshire
This whole thing is just another example of the generally irresponsible manner in which our ‘news’ media operates anymore. The wild speculation that has been in print and on the air is straight out of the Weekly World News or the National Inquirer. I remember during the Olympic Park bombing fiasco involving Richard Jewell (sp?) how a particular reporter for a particular network (whom I won’t name) made the point repeatedly that they never air a story unless the contents have been verified by two independent and credible sources. He admitted that sometimes it was not possible to obtain such confirmation and in those cases they might air it anyway if the story was very important and that it was also important to air it in a timely fashion. Why do I bring this up? The night that the ‘victims’ of the Heavensgate mass suicide were found, this SAME reporter said (as close as I can recall), "Officials so far are avoiding calling this a cult. But let’s look at the facts. ALL of the victims were white males. ALL of the victims were between the ages of 17 and 24. And ALL of the victims were dressed identically." I would love to find out what two independent and credible sources provided him with such completely wrong information (O.K., I guess they were dressed pretty much all alike). Or maybe this ‘cult’ aspect was SO important and SO time critical that it had to be gotten on the air immediately. In the rush to beat the competition to press, the news media has forsaken nearly all responsibility they once took for accuracy. I could cite several examples of where I attended or watched a news briefing live and then saw or read the coverage later and shook my head in disbelief. They obviously did not see the same briefing I saw. On several occasions I have called a news station or radio station to correct a major error in a news piece from the 5:00 news. I have spoken with news directors and convinced them of the obvious inaccuracy of the story just to watch them run the exact same story at 10:00 or the next day. When I call a newspaper, they invariably say, "You’re right, but we got that story off the wire (e.g., AP, UPI, etc.) and all we do is reprint it, there’s nothing we can do. Sorry, but thanks for the call." There’s nothing they can do? They can’t call AP and say, "Hey, you’re giving us inaccurate stories. We can’t allow that at the rate it’s occurring and if it continues we will have to cancel our subscription to your service."? I don’t find it surprising at all that the newsmedia is using alt.disasters.aviation as an "independent and credible source" for their articles. I have read all of the relevant articles on that newsgroup and there’s maybe three out of about thirty that have sensible pieces of plausible information in them. The rest are third and fourth hand rumors and conspiracy theories. Here in Colorado you would expect the coverage of the missing A-10 to be a little more accurate since the search is taking place right here and the news hounds are getting daily briefings from the Civil Air Patrol. Yet the news anchors still can’t decide whether the A-10 is a fighter or a bomber or an attack aircraft (notice that it’s an A-10, not an F-10 or a B-10). Like Heavensgate, they have repeatedly gotten basic information about the plane (such as its fuel load, range, weapons load, weapons safety status, ELT setup, autopilot capabilities, etc., etc., etc.) wrong because they just HAD to get to press RIGHT NOW. I get tired of the local news radio station telling me "You heard it here first". I would rather they be able to tell me, "You heard it RIGHT here." Alas, I’m pipedreaming again. I keep hearing reports about how the fact that the plane hasn’t been found yet strongly supports the conclusion that the pilot stole the airplane and is long gone. These people have obviously never been involved in a winter mountain search. I have. There is a good chance that the plane won’t be found until late spring or summer, if then. It hasn’t been that long since Colorado closed the books on all of it’s long-time missing aircraft. Several states still haven’t. The last one had been missing for ten years. Not too long before that some hikers stumbled upon a 20+ year old wreck that had never been found. These mountains, somewhat like the sea, are reluctant to give up their dead. As for all the other wild speculations (the pilot was trying to commit suicide; the pilot suffered a stroke; the plane suffered multiple system failures; the pilot was going to bomb the OKC trial in Denver [he's on the wrong side of the Continental Divide]), it just boggles my mind that the reporters keep harping on these things when the obvious answer is, "We won’t know until we find the aircraft." I’m sorry for the long-winded post, but this topic kinda gets my dander up. Bet you couldn’t have guessed that, huh?
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<SNIP This whole thing is just another example of the generally irresponsible manner in which our ‘news’ media operates anymore. The wild speculation that has been in print and on the air is straight out of the Weekly World News or the National Inquirer. <SNIP
I couldn’t agree with you more. The news media are so hot-to-trot with their stories, but only in the sense of getting there first and with the most pizzazz (read hyperbole). As you said, the level of ignorance is mind boggling. My wife and I heard one of the national reporters, in covering the Heaven’s Gate incident, say, "You mean just anyone can get a WEB site?" Please give me a major gold-plated break here… these people are responsible for disseminating tons of ‘facts’ to the public. Their very job involves knowing what it going on, yet one of them could be so ignorant as to even begin to ask that question on a subject that is in the news every single day in one form or another. Then, to try to add a sense of foreboding and alarm to the story, they go on to talk about how these evil ‘cults’ can advertise on the WEB and draw innocent children into their web (no pun intended). Something like one percent of the American public goes WEB surfing, but most of the people in the country watch TV, so who is guilty of spreading the word about what kind of stuff is on the WEB. Before the suicide a few thousand people might have run across the HG site. After TV repeatedly broadcast the site and it’s contents for a solid week, many millions had seen it. Sigh!
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News reporting comes down to three things…money…money…money and don’t you dare let accuracy get in the way. Dave S. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – CHOP CHOP ALOT Here in Colorado you would expect the coverage of the missing A-10 to be a little more accurate since the search is taking place right here and the news hounds are getting daily briefings from the Civil Air Patrol. Yet the news anchors still can’t decide whether the A-10 is a fighter or a bomber or an attack aircraft (notice that it’s an A-10, not an F-10 or a B-10). Like Heavensgate, they have repeatedly gotten basic information about the plane (such as its fuel load, range, weapons load, weapons safety status, ELT setup, autopilot capabilities, etc., etc., etc.) wrong because they just HAD to get to press RIGHT NOW. I get tired of the local news radio station telling me "You heard it here first". I would rather they be able to tell me, "You heard it RIGHT here." Alas, I’m pipedreaming again. I keep hearing reports about how the fact that the plane hasn’t been found yet strongly supports the conclusion that the pilot stole the airplane and is long gone. These people have obviously never been involved in a winter mountain search. I have. There is a good chance that the plane won’t be found until late spring or summer, if then. It hasn’t been that long since Colorado closed the books on all of it’s long-time missing aircraft. Several states still haven’t. The last one had been missing for ten years. Not too long before that some hikers stumbled upon a 20+ year old wreck that had never been found. These mountains, somewhat like the sea, are reluctant to give up their dead. As for all the other wild speculations (the pilot was trying to commit suicide; the pilot suffered a stroke; the plane suffered multiple system failures; the pilot was going to bomb the OKC trial in Denver [he's on the wrong side of the Continental Divide]), it just boggles my mind that the reporters keep harping on these things when the obvious answer is, "We won’t know until we find the aircraft." I’m sorry for the long-winded post, but this topic kinda gets my dander up. Bet you couldn’t have guessed that, huh?
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I read the USA Today article the other day and was surprised to read the reporter citing the scuttlebut on the internet. Now, while I am interested to see what everyone had to say about this, I doubt anyone who REALLY knows is chatting away in our newsgroup about it. Kinda scary we are a news source, huh? Kimberley Shropshire
Since when did anyone consider USA Today a newspaper or credible?
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I read the USA Today article the other day and was surprised to read the reporter citing the scuttlebut on the internet. Now, while I am interested to see what everyone had to say about this, I doubt anyone who REALLY knows is chatting away in our newsgroup about it. Kinda scary we are a news source, huh? Kimberley Shropshire Since when did anyone consider USA Today a newspaper or credible?
Of course USA Today is credible they get their stuff from the NY Times. When I travel on Monday’s I take the NY Times with me on the plane. In the hotel I get USA Today for free and I can reread the stories in Monday’s times in USA Today over the rest of the week. Big Brother is watching and keeping track of what you post. I have removed my personal information from the header and moved it here. EMail Address: |worldnet . | | att . net | Full Name: -John?Miano-
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This whole thing is just another example of the generally irresponsible manner in which our ‘news’ media operates anymore. I couldn’t agree with you more. The news media are so hot-to-trot with their stories, but only in the sense of getting there first and with the most pizzazz (read hyperbole). As you said, the level of ignorance is mind boggling.
We have a weekly 15 minute public TV commentary over here hosted by a ‘hold-no-punches’ commentator with law background. It’s called Media Watch and he does – like a hawk. On this show I’m informed weekly just how incompetent reporters are and how their mistakes spread across associated newspapers, radio and TV stations. The media here is virtually self-regulated, so any idiot who can string two words together can get a job reporting and make the mistakes we see daily. If they can’t spell or get the grammar right, then what hope have they at identifying and describing an A-10 Warthog correctly – none! Hence the single engined Cessna Conquests, twin engined Piper Cubs and Jumbos hitting air pockets will continue to feature in the news. Pete Adelaide, South Australia
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The media here is virtually self-regulated, so any idiot who can string two words together can get a job reporting and make the mistakes we see daily.
In the US it use to be that only the women on the news were bimbos. Thanks to affirmative action now male bimbos can be newsreaders too. :-0 Big Brother is watching and keeping track of what you post. I have removed my personal information from the header and moved it here. EMail Address: |worldnet . | | att . net | Full Name: -John?Miano-
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